I'm CoAdmin @ SeriousCrunchers.net , the VB liscense is under my partners name so my access is limited ...he is the code guru I'm the PR/Politician/Layout guy , this works very well for us...I was just poking around in AdminCP and was checking your Spider manager ....which is "The" one plugin that Orakk adores ( we are BOT free and intend to stay that way ...nothing to hide ...just don't like Bots)...I just thought I'ld check it out ...must say I'm impressed...Thanx!!!!